Saturday, May 16, 2009

EDU 308 Summer 09 Ch. 5

Post your discussion card and your response to another's post here for Ch. 5.

29 comments:

  1. Remember to go back and read and respond in some way to my posts. I want to know you read those.

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  2. Question: How did Europeans get away with the treatment dircted towards Chinese immigrants? Could this be a major reason such discrimination still lingers?

    Quote: "God teaches the birds to make nests, yet th nests of all birds are not alike."-Duwamish Proverb.

    Fact: England's Queen Elizabeth I took a bath only once a month; Spain's Queen Isabella proudly claimed taht she had only taken two baths in her life. (Yuck!!!!)

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  3. Question: Why are many schoolchildren not being taught about the multiplicity of Indian cultures that existed in early America?
    Quote: Ask American children about Indian homes, and they will likely say Indians lived in tepees. Instead of educating youth about Indian diversity, teachers have tended to promote a stereotrpe based on the Plains Indians."
    Fact: The diversity that existed between more than 500 Indian nations encompassed political governance, economic structures, and cultural patterns.

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  4. Quote- If we believe in absurdities we shall commit atrocities. Voltaire (p. 118)

    Fact- From the late 1500's to early 1800's, more than 10 million Africans were brought to America.

    Question- Do you think we will ever be free of racism? Isn't it human nature to have a bias toward people from one's own background?

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  5. -Question- People from China and Japan were banned from immigrating to the United States, is the same true for African Americans since oppression was also directed at them?
    -Quote- "If the United States is to be a pluralistic society embracing diverse groups, it must make sure that all people living in America are respected as part of our diverse national family.
    -Fact- Benjamin Franklin took ides from the governance plan of the Iroquois League to form the "Albany Plan".
    -Response- In response to Chelsey I think that children today are not taught about the multiplicity of Indian cultures in large part because teachers teach what they were taught. Teachers teach what they know and information they are more comfortable with. I guess that in a way is taking an easy way out. If I had not read this text or possibly done research on early Indian cultures I would not of known about the many cultures.

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  6. Quote: "Columbus created the pattern of oppression repeated by those who followed."

    Fact: The term indigenous peoples can be used to describe any ethnic group of people who inhabit a geographic region with which they have the earliest known historical connection, alongside more recent immigrants who have populated the region and may be greater in number.

    Question: Without the iconic MLK, Jr. do you believe the civil rights movement would be been successful or go as much publicity?

    In response to Heidi's question; It is a dream of mine as well as many others to have a world free of racism, unfortunetly, I believe that will never be the case. Racism is very live and active today and I encounter it on a daily basis which makes me sad. However, I do believe that as teachers if we can connect other cultures and their influences to curriculumn and in class lecutres as well as teach our youth to respect differences than that is a good place to change attitudes.

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  7. All of the "isms" are alive today. Look at The Southern Poverty Law Center's website and join Hatewatch. Last year, MO had over 29 hate groups. You will deal with all of these as teachers and change agents. Think of strategies now before you have to deal with these in your classes. You will be better prepared then. Keep up your work! Also, respond to others' posts, and I am adding comments to all chapters each day as people catch up etc. Keep looking back at the bottom of the posts to see what has been added. I hope you like this format for class. If not, please let me know. I usually do "Gots and Needs." Let me know what you have gotten so far and what you need from me. I take those seriously.

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  8. In response to Heidi's question, I do not think we will ever be free of racism. Our society is very judgemental of people from other cultures or races. However, I do think our country is on the right track after President Obama was elected.

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  9. In response to Sierrah's question I do not feel the civil rights movement would have been as prominent. Hopefully, someone else would have stepped up the way he did and hopefully we have moved passed some of the issues that were raised during that time period while other issues may never be resolved to the level that some would hope.

    Question: During the 1800's images on medicine bottles depicted Indian images. Instead of acquiring the knowledge the Indians had of the medicinal value of plants, entrepreneurs created mixtures and used images of Indians on their bottles to attract customers. Do you feel that this stereotype and misuse of advertising still happens today?

    Quote: I like the same one as Brooke. "God teaches the birds to make nests, yet the nests of all birds are not alike."~Duwamish Proverb

    Fact: The first Africans in the New World came not as slaves but as soldiers and explorers.

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  10. Question ~ Was Harlem the beginning of the end of segregation? Since people of all races came together here to enjoy clubs, dancing, and jazz did this open peoples' eyes and bring them together?

    Quote ~ "Each group has come with its own seperate motives and its own special ends but their greatest experience has been the finding of one another." - Alain Locke (pg. 113)

    Fact ~ After/during WWI the U.S. military did not recognize black soldiers' achievement.

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  11. Question: Why are the Indian treaties still important today?
    Quote: God teaches the birds to make nests, yet the nests of all birds are not alike." Duwamish Proverb
    Fact: Although slaves represented 20% of all Americans at this time, the word slave does not appear in the Constitution of the United States.

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  12. Question: Has our society learned from the early days of oppression with regard to the earliest settlers of color in our country? Also, were not most settlers of European decent also regarded as oppressed in their homelands which lead to the decision for most of them to relocate to the "new world" as North and South America were once referred to several centuries ago?

    Quote: "I believe cruelty is the inability to assign the same feelings and values to another person that you harbor in yourself." Carlos Fuentes page 124

    Fact: Latino and Asian/Oriental soldiers serving in the second world war were not segregated from white troops as blacks were.

    In response to several questions/comments; As teachers it is our responsibility to look at the children in our classrooms as students first and children of color last. What happened in the early days of our nation were not always glorious patriotic acts. Several races of people were treated completely unjustly. However, I think it is important to also teach our students that in those days not everything was so sensationally violent and many people of different cultures learned to live together, survive together, taught each others customs to one another, married each other, and started some fantastic families that have grown and developed into wonderful people today known as Americans. I'm proud to say that my family is very culturally diverse and that has created a lot of understanding for me in being culturally aware of others. I'm not perfect but I try not to be prejudice even though it's human nature to be that way sometimes.

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  13. In response to James' post, I understand what you're saying about recognizing our students as students first, but I also believe it is important that we recognize and honor their cultural backgrounds. This is what will help to overcome racist attitudes when they become adults.

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  14. James,

    Good points here!
    We must be aware of our own biases and weaknesses first and foremost as well as our own diversity and how we can relate to all of our students!

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  15. Sarah,

    Good question in particular here! Were the treaties really treaties or a way for the US citizens to use the Native Americans for their own benefits and purposes and to get their lands??? Why do you think we still study the "treaties?" Review the Naturalization Act that limited citizenship to White males. I think the year was 1790. That's the first time race becomes a part of the laws and policies here.

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  16. In response to Brittany's fact, that is absolutley ridiculous. How did Whites get so superior that they could not recogonize a soilder's achievment? It should not have mattered what color the soilder was...Weren't they all fighting for the same thing? Fighting towards the same goal? Maybe little mistakes like these is what drove racism and discrimination...

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  17. Quote: Take only what you need, and leave the land as you found it." Arapaho Proverb

    I like this quote because we as Americans often take much more than we need in many aspects of life.

    Question: Why were school children not taught about Indian cultures that exsisted in earyl America? Why did we try to force Native Americans to neglect their heritage and families and "Americanize" them?

    Fact: 5,000 of the 300,000 colonial troops in the revolutionary war were blacks. Their achievements were betrayed when the U.S. constitution was drafted.

    In response to Brooke, I also don't see how people could be so discriminating toward blacks especially when they chose to fight for the same cause. And to think that they were even discriminated against by the other veterans. Everyone was fighting for the same cause, and yet they were fighting between themselves.

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  18. In response to Heidi's question I don't think we will ever be free of racism. We are prejudice and judgemental due to misunderstanding and becuase most people see differences as frightening and unknown. Due to our ignorance of people who are different if we as individuals don't take the time to understand these differences we I think we will always have issues of prejudice and racism.

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  19. What could of the European settlers have learned from Native Americans?

    "Take only what you need and leave the land as you found it."

    The word slave does not appear in the consitution of the U.S. instead it refers to "unfree persons."

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  20. "God teaches the birds to make nests, yet the nests of all birds are not alike."~Duwamish Proverb

    In response to this quote...Everyone is different but in our society (especially among children) everyone want to be the same. People buy and wear things not only for themselves but for the eyes of others. If we could realize as a society how we are each suppose to have our own indiviual ways, we may learn more from each other than imitaing each other.

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  21. Quote...

    Take only what you need and leave the land as you found it. Arapaho Proverb

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  22. Fact...

    The first Africans in the New World came not as slaves but as soldiers and explorers.

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  23. Question...

    Where did it all go wrong with the Native Americans, if their were initial relationships with the early colonist?

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  24. Quote- what the people want is very simple. they want an America as good as its promice. Barbara Jordan 1936-1996

    Fact- 5000 of the 300,000 colonial troops were african Americans mostly free from the north.

    Question- To me the civil war for many is still being fought visiting the south the attitudes havent changed a graet deal or is it me?

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  25. Heidi I dont think racism will ever be exstint. My sons dads family is from the south and the questions and things that are said to me I have to stop and count to 10 before I say anything Its not that they have ever been rude or mean but its the sterotypes and beliefs about white women. an eye-opener

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  26. In so many ways, the "isms" are played out covertly now, but they are still there as well as the stereotypes. I agree we have not come as far as we need to come. We have a long way to go still!!!!

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  27. In response to Katie,
    I agree that it is shameful how we treated the Indians. We should not have tried to "Americanize" them as harshly as we did. Unfortunately, I don't think that people then understood the harshness of their acts at the time. I believe they thought they were doing what was best for the Indians and the white man. From these experiences, though, we can look back at the effects of our actions and make better decisions the next time. It is important that we remember our history and learn from our past mistakes.

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  28. Question: Everyone is always talking about being American - but preserving their heritage at the same time. When in reality none of us are actualy American - except for the Native Americans! So why is it American society and education embraces different cultures (Hispanic, Asian, etc) and allows them to preserve their identity, but have insisted that the Native Americans conform to be more American? The whole concept is ridiculous to me! In every major city in the US there is some sort of an Asian market, or China Town. Now Wal-Mart has it's own section of Mexican items so that immigrants, or people from that culture can still preserve their ties. I think it's great. But, where do the actual Americans, the NATIVE Americans fit into this equation?

    Quote: Americans tend to hold one of the following two images of Indians: the noble savages who lived long ago and were exter-minated, or contemporary Indians who have lost their culture and been degraded by white people’s ways.

    Fact: European descriptions of Indians as “ filthy savages” had nothing to do with hygiene but with their “ seemingly unrepressed sexuality” Haha, I LOVE IT!

    In response to Brooke's fact about royalty, and their disgusting lack of bathing: Ew. I feel really bad for their servants that had to follow them around all day everyday. Just imagine wearing a corset and those huge dresses during the summer...

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  29. In response to Dr. Hendrix first comment about hate groups, I had a related experience in high school. At the time when I was at school, all attending students were small town white males and females. We had an African American family move in and within two weeks the family was chased out of town. Those that committed these scares where high school males that had written things like "KKK" all over our town's stop signs. It's sad to think the family has to live in a fear like that.

    Quote: "Had it not neen for our art and our culture, when all else waws ripped from us, we would never have been able to survive as a people."
    To me that quote is bittersweet. He it talking about how so many things were stripped from them yet their spirit is still very much alive. this reminds me of the Harlem culture.

    Fact:Approximently 60% of Puerto Ricans lived in either New York or New Jersey, but with unemployment rates as high as 23%, nearly 60% of these Puerto Rican families lived in poverty. (pg. 126)
    The statement before that said it was an ecomonic benifit for them to make enough money to come to the U.S. It's unfortunate that they may have not had recieved many oppritunities once they arrived here.

    Question:How are you going to choose to teach the rich history of all mentioned races in your classroom? and teach tolerance?

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